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We are attempting to penetrate 1m of water featuring dissolved ions ( assume salinity of sea water) using radio waves. Aside for using wavelengths of very low frequency radio or below, what would be the best frequency for achieving this task?

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  • $\begingroup$ Which ones have you tested so far? $\endgroup$
    – Solar Mike
    Commented Jul 15, 2023 at 5:00
  • $\begingroup$ wavelengths of very low frequency ... wavelength is inversely proportional to frequency $\endgroup$
    – jsotola
    Commented Jul 15, 2023 at 20:43
  • $\begingroup$ @SolarMike: We have tried for very low wave frequency ( 10kHz), but the antenna wound up being massive according to our calculations. We are trying to penetrate the water while not needing a massive antenna or an antenna that requires 1MW to use. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 15, 2023 at 21:49
  • $\begingroup$ I think that we are going to try for 540 kHz wavelength. This should minimize the attenuation. We are trying to find out how large of an antenna we would need and how much power that would take if we used electrical loading and fractal antenna design for it. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 16, 2023 at 2:58
  • $\begingroup$ Radios used to have a long-wavelength reception capability, without requiring a large antenna; a small coil wound around a ferrite rod seems to have been sufficient. $\endgroup$
    – jayben
    Commented Jul 16, 2023 at 12:16

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Underwater radio transmission at VLF frequencies has been used for many years by the US Navy to send signals to submerged submarines. Wikipedia has a good article on this which will answer all your questions. Here is a very brief summary:

VLF (10 to 30kHz) signals can penetrate ~tens of meters into seawater, but the wavelengths involved are in the range of 300 to 10 kilometers (!!!). Efficient radiation of RF power at those frequencies requires a vertical 1/4-wavelength antenna which is impossibly tall. For this reason, all practical VLF antennas are classed as electrically short which means extremely ineffective- which requires them to be driven with huge amounts of transmitter power (~megawatts) in order to produce useful RF signal strengths.

Note that 540 kilohertz is very close to the commercial AM broadcast band and to get seawater penetration will still require many megawatts of transmitter power and an antenna hundreds of feet tall.

Note also that you can shorten the required antenna by using the design rules for electrically short antennas but the transmitted radiation effectiveness (also called the radiation resistance) is extremely low so you will inevitably run right up against the severe limitations of short antennas.

The ARRL Antenna Book (used by ham radio operators) contains most of the design equations for VLF antennas.

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  • $\begingroup$ ELF is also used for submarine communication. Both VLF & ELF have the disadvantage that you can't get very much data from the carrier signal. $\endgroup$
    – Tiger Guy
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:36
  • $\begingroup$ That is a very good point about the antenna length. Even with electric shortening, the antenna would still be very large if one wished to not use MW of power. We are not considering using a 1MHz wavelength and electrically shortening it down by about 1/100th such that the antenna length is about 1m. The resolution of the image does not really matter as we are just trying to detect the presence of aluminum at the bottom of a 1m deep pond ( the outcome is binary - either it is detected or it is not detected). What do you think about that? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 23:25

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