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Control Systems: 3rd order system project [duplicate]

I'm in need of help finding a third-order or higher system in which I can derive a transfer function. We have a class project in which we need to find a real-life example of the system that equates to ...
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Controls Project: Help needed finding 3rd order system

I'm in need of help finding a third-order or higher system in which I can derive a transfer function. We have a class project in which we need to find a real-life example of the system that equates to ...
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How to tune PID for a step response

I am very much confused finding the time constant and DC gain for the below step response. The idea is to find PI gains for speed control and I am following this tutorial online Tutorial Link Motor ...
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Best Techniques to design a cascaded precision position controller

I'm looking to design a cascaded controller to transform a BLDC into a servomotor. The system has a motor current controller in the inner loop, which is controlled by a torque controller, which is ...
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what's wrong with this robust control scheme?

I'm learning how to control a double integrator with $H_\infty$. my model is simply $$\begin{gather} \dot{r} = v \\ \dot{v} = F/m \\ r(t_0) = 0\text{ m}, $v(t_0) = 0\text{ m/s}, m = 1000\text{ kg} \...
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Control: control action of a PID controller with feedback

I'm programming the controller for a drone and I've got a question that may be basic, but I need to understand this perfectly to continue with the most interesting part of the project. The sensors of ...
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Limitations to consider when picking a cut-off frequency low-pass filter for PID control?

Considering a first-order low-pass filter transfer function: $$ \frac{\omega_c}{s + \omega_c} $$ Where $\omega_c$ is the cut-off frequency. Are there any limitations on where to place this pole? For ...
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Block-diagram combining two controlled subsystems

I have two subsystems which are shown in the picture below. One of them is a system of stable and controlled differential equations of a mechanical system. Second is a block that implements a function ...
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Linearizing nonlinear system for PID control

I have a system where y = 1/x. (y=output, x=input) If I calculate the PID error not by reading y, but by reading 1/y (so linearizing the system), will my system be nicely linearized, and the PID ...
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(Dominant) Poles very close to zeros in PID control

I have a plant transfer function $G(s)$: $$ G(s) = \frac{1}{s^2(0.1s + 1) } $$ I want to control this with practical PID control: $$ C(s) = k_p + k_i \frac{1}{s} + k_d \frac{N}{1 + N \frac{1}{s}} $$ ...
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PI-Controler: Comparison of characteristic equations

I have to design a PI-controller with zero order hold for the plant $G_s(s) = \frac{0.24}{(s+4)(s+12)}$ to meet the specifications of $\omega_n=5\,s^{-1}$ and $\zeta = 0.6$. I choose a $T=0.12\,s$ ...
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How to tune a PID controller when plant's step response looks like a ramp?

The system is a boat and I want to specify a yaw angle and the PID controller would operate the rudder of the boat in order to reach the desired yaw angle. So, the step response of the plant (boat) ...
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Differential Equation for: Locking a laser's frequency with a PI controller

I think I have a good understanding of differential equations, so I would like to first try to understand my system in terms of differential equations before transforming my system into the more ...
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How to determine time constant/cutoff frequency of the filters in the controlled loop

I was told to be careful to use filters in the control loops as it will add extra time delays in the system and degrade the system dynamic response, but I also saw there are lots of filters in ...
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PID Control: Is adding a delay before the next loop a good idea?

I am implementing PID control in C++ to make a differential drive robot turn an accurate number of degrees, but I am having many issues. Exiting control loop early due to fast loop runtime If the ...
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Finding coefficients for a PID controller that minimize the integral of the squared error (ISE)

The problem The problem is to find the coefficients for the P, I and D terms of a PID controller used to regulate the object that minimize the the integral of the squared error (ISE): $$Q = \int_0^\...
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Can I design/tune the outer loop controller without knowing the details of the inner loop controller?

In cascade PID control loops as below, can I make an assumption that the inner loop will respond much faster than the outer loop, hence I could simplify U1_CMD as U1 and I could design/tune the gains ...
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Improving a PID controller from logged historical PID data

Part of our system involves a feedback loop with a PID controller. We log every call to the PID controller, and include in the log information about the Kp, Ki, Kd, the set point, the input, output, ...
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PID or AI or other approaches to this thermal control problem?

I have this boiler controlled manually at the moment, and I am wondering what would be the most proper approach to automate this process. The boiler in this question basically burns fuel (saw dust, ...
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Servo Motor Input Voltage Equation

I'm working on a Ball & Beam project. As I'm doing it for an engineering project, I'm supposed to model the system mathematically, calculate the PID parameters, etc. to center the ball in the ...
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Is there an equation that can automatically tune a PID controller?

Is there an equation that can automatically tune PID controllers? or do I have to do manually/make an AI to do it for me?
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PI or PID-regulator for control system with hysteresis relay in inner loop

I have such control system (sorry for rough drawing :) ) $G(s)$ - stable object with proper transfer function. $1/s$ - integrator. I need to clarify, how synthesized PI or PID controller for such ...
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Discrete-time realization for continuous time domain controller/filter?

Let us say I simply design a low pass filter like (1/s+1) with the cutoff frequency as 1 rad/sec, when I implement it in real software, do I have to do the discrete-time realization? If not, what ...
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How to simulate open and close and control valve using a simple controller

I have successfully developed a mathematical model for my physical system. My objective is to control the mass of gas in and out of the system. The mass flowrate is given by: $V_f = C_d.\sqrt{2.\frac{\...
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How to get the performance index ISE and IAE for a Matlab-Simulink designed Line Follower Robot with PID control?

I am researching a method to determine the optimal PID gains for a line follower robot. The problem is, I don't know how to setup the performance index IAE and ISE in the matlab. Any tips on how to do ...
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What is the meaning of this symbol in Control System Diagram

I was reading the paper "Full-Speed Range Self-Balancing Electric Motorcycles Without the Handlebar" released in March 2016 by Professor Yang and Murakami in Keio University. I couldn't ...
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What is the mathematical basis for the Ziegler-Nichols method for tuning a PID loop?

The Ziegler-Nichols method of tuning PID control loops has been around since the 1940's, and has been widely applied in many areas of engineering. I understand that it is really only a heuristic ...
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Limiting the integral to a time window in PID controller

Would it make sense to integrate e(t) from t - c to t instead of 0 to t for the integral part of the PID controller? What are the most common deviation from classic PID controller definition?
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object following using pid

in short, I want to implement a PID controller that takes in distance and returns velocity. Details: I am simulating robots following each other. I wish to maintain a constant distance, ...
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Do I need a feedback loop while testing PID controller?

This is a homework for my university course control theory. The task is simple: Test the P, the I and the D controllers separately to see the effect. We don't have to connect the controllers to a ...
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Controller to maintain a stable amplitude

I am recording a channel before and after injecting current into that channel. I control the current injection using a switch, when the switch is on current goes to the channel, when the switch is off ...
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What are some techniques for improving stabilization given a mechanical time constant?

Problem: I have a self-stabilizing system that utilizes an intertial measurement unit (IMU) attached to the hull of a vessel. The system self stabilizes by performing matrix rotations based on the ...
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Process disturbance in PI controller help

This is the project i'm working on and i'm struggling to understand one sentence which is stopping me from progressing the project. I'm struggling to understand what it means when it says to add +/- ...
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How do I interpret the following Bode, Nyquist and Nichols diagrams?

I am working with an arbitrarily complicated and long-winded transfer function that looks something like this: $$ H(s) = \frac{as^4+\cdots+b}{cs^6+\cdots+ds^2} $$ where letters represent constants. ...
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Finding Derivative Gain for PD Controller

I am trying to design a PD controller $G_c(s) = K_d(s+z_c)$ with the following requirements: No overshoot, $\zeta = 1$ Settling time $T_s = 0.0002s$ The transfer function that I am currently working ...
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how derivative gain in PD controller influences tracking error

List item For a proportional and derivative feedback control, the the response and tracking error in frequency domain can be represented as $Y(s)=\frac{KG+K_dSG}{1+KG+K_dSG}S_p \\ e(s)=\frac{1}{1+KG+...
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Is controlling humidity more precise when calculating with relative or absolute humidity?

I have a tubing system where I need to precisely control relative humidity. All my sensors are giving me temperature [°C] and ...
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How can we control the output temperature of a multi-input single-output pipe air-flow system?

I am trying to optimize the heat control of a test bench at our facility. The test bench is basically a pipe with an air flow that can be heated up to desired temperature. To heat the air flow up, ...
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Is the PID just an outdated control method and state-space is superior?

So I've been wondering this for a while; is PID just a simple but slightly outdated control method / isn't state-space (SS) a far superior method in pretty much every way? SS allows for MIMO, PID just ...
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Why does accuracy of temperature PID controller drop over time and how to eliminate it?

What am I trying to control? I have a container with approximately 3*2*6 meters (width, height, length). I am controlling through PID the ...
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PID controller - Counterproductive derivative

I'm having trouble understanding the derivative part of a PID controller, because it sometimes seems to react the opposite way that I would like. Let's use a simple example where : the controlled ...
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How to convert a DC motor into a servo motor using a rotary encoder and a microcontroller?

Operating/ Rated Voltage: 24V No load Speed: 350 rpm No load Current: 150mA (max) Max efficiency: 1.4 Kg-cm/300 rpm/ 14.2W/ 0.87A Max power: 4.5 Kg-cm/180 rpm/28.2W/1.4A Stall Current: 2.9 A (max) ...
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What's the difference between Fuzzy PI, PD and PID controllers?

I am investigating fuzzy control and I am a little confused, I have come across 3 models and I can't quite fathom out what is going on. In this PD+I controller, I can see the error signal being ...
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Tuning a cascaded attitude and attitude rate PID controller

Assume that I have an object in 3D, and I want to have a controller that stabilizes its orientation (also referred to as "attitude"). To be sure we are clear: attitude is measured in "degrees" or "...
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How to input amplitude on a second order transfer function?

I have some samples of readings from an accelerometer (unit: g) and I did a FFT (on MATLAB) on the vector generated from these samples to see its frequency spectrum. Then I have isolated the peaks and ...
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P&ID questions on reports, connection, etc

Good day to all of you. I got some questions in my mind regarding on P&ID: In electrical, symbol will have their own default reference name for example "Motor" will use "M" , ...
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Best PID autotuning algorithm/library for simple heater problem

It's the 21st century, anything is possible. Except for PID autotuning for a simple problem, heating/cooling system - make robust and ready to use solution. I've found only one library for PID ...
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Discrete measurement - continuous observer design

I have to design a controller for the above system where the two pulse generators (red blocks ) are synchronized (measurements are only available at discrete points). However, my understanding is that ...
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Tuning Feedforward + PID Controller just with Feedforward Data

Hello there, hope you are all doing well. Right now I am trying to design a Feedforward + PID Controller for KUKA youBot on simulation. Since I do not have the equation of the system, I am trying to ...
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Does it make sense to have a pressure and flow controller on a single closed line?

I have seen P&IDs in which a single line has both a pressure and flow control valve. Based on my understanding of Bernoulli's equation however this doesn't make sense to me - because ultimately ...