# Could a gold/{second metal} crown be created that would pass the Archimedes test cost effectively?

Many people are familiar with the story of Archimedes submerging a crown in water to identify if the volume of the crown was consistent with the volume of the same amount of gold. The test was to see if a lighter cheaper metal (like silver) was included in crown. If the crown maker substitutes silver for some of the gold, they make a sinister profit at the risk of their life.

Platinum is heavier than gold, silver is lighter. Using the values as of January of 2015, could any combination of metals be used to create a crown that would have the same volume as a solid gold crown, with a cost effective benefit for the crown maker?

Using the values of metals in 287 BCE – 212 BCE, could it be cost effective for the crown maker?

• In other words is there a cheap gold alloy with the same density (to some accuracy) as gold? Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 10:54
• @ratchetfreak to some extent, but it need not be limited just to an alloy, you might encase pockets of air, and/or heavy metals in gold or plate with gold to achieve the weight you are looking for. Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 10:57
• Not sure about 200BC but this has happened in real life. A few months back several gold merchants in New York discovered that they've bought fake gold bars made of a tungsten alloy wrapped in a thin casing of gold. Gold merchants always test their gold when buying. Partly to accurately weigh the gold to get the karat value and price. So the bars passed the Archimedes test. Commented Feb 6, 2015 at 8:59

Gold is 40 $\$/g$at 19.3$g/cm^3$Platinum is 39$\$/g$ at 21.45 $g/cm^3$
Depleted Uranium is about 6 $\$/g$at 19.1$g/cm^3$(1) [sorry for the source, but at least it cites some references, so I believe the prices aren't that much off.]$\rho_{Au} = 19.3 g/cm^3 \\ \rho_{Pt} = 21.45 g/cm^3 \\ \rho_{DU} = 19.1 g/cm^3 $Let's assume we want to produce$1cm^3$of the new alloy of same density as gold. Our set of equations will be:$ V_{Pt} + V_{DU} = 1 \\ \rho_{Pt} V_{Pt} + \rho_{DU} V_{DU} = 1 \rho_{Au} $so, changing sides and substituting:$ V_{DU} = 1-V_{Pt} \\ \rho_{Pt} V_{Pt} + \rho_{DU} (1-V_{Pt}) = \rho_{Au} \rho_{Pt} V_{Pt} - \rho_{DU} V_{Pt} = \rho_{Au} - \rho_{DU} (\rho_{Pt} - \rho_{DU} ) V_{Pt} = \rho_{Au} - \rho_{DU} V_{Pt} = { { \rho_{Au} - \rho_{DU} } \over { \rho_{Pt} - \rho_{DU} } }  V_{Pt} = 0.2/2.35 = 0.085 cm^3 ; M_{Pt} = \rho_{Pt} V_{Pt} = 1,823 g V_{DU} = 1 - V_{Pt} = 0.915 cm^3 ; M_{DU} = \rho_{DU} V_{DU} = 17,476 g$Dividing these by density of gold, we'll obtain masses that comprise 1 gram of the "fake gold".$ m_{DU} = 0.905g \\ m_{Pt} = 0.095g $Now considering the prices, 0,095g Pt is 3.70 USD; 0.905g DU is 5.45 USD for a total of 9.13USD for gram of the alloy, replacing 40USD for gram of gold. That's less than one fourth the price. Of course since the appearance of platinum-DU alloy won't fool anyone, you'd need to make some kind of "skeleton" to be plated with gold on the outside to hide the forgery and somewhat extend the king's life before he dies of brain cancer. Using the values of metals in 287 BCE – 212 BCE, you won't find depleted uranium on sale. But I remember a historian friend telling me the ancients didn't recognize platinum as a precious metal - miners would dig it up sometimes along with silver, and naming it "young silver", believing it needs to rest in soil for a few generations more, would bury it to "mature". So I believe, with platinum being considered nearly worthless, addition of some lighter metal, like copper to balance out the density gain, replacing majority of the crown with platinum would bring immense profits. If only the crown maker knew of the density of the "young silver"... • If you were concerned about radiation & safety, tungsten, with a density of 19.25 g/cm^3, could be used instead of depleted uranium. – Fred Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 14:10 • @Fred: And significantly cheaper too! – SF. Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 14:16 • Unfortunately, Platinum wouldn't have been viable to use during the third century BCE; its value was so low because its melting point was too high to work with at the time. (Here's an interesting Planet Money story about why gold came to be our precious metal of choice, that points out this problem with Pt.) – Air Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:06 • @AirThomas: You could still add raw nuggets to the mix, without alloying, although that would certainly reduce the viable volume you could use. – SF. Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:08 • Would also make it much harder to get the correct density, though you could hope to rely on the inherent inaccuracy of the methods for measuring volume and mass at the time to give you a margin of error. – Air Commented Feb 5, 2015 at 17:11 Using the values of metals in 287 BCE – 212 BCE, could it be cost effective for the crown maker? Of the metals known and used in antiquity (copper, gold, silver, lead, iron, tin, mercury, zinc), gold is by far the densest, at$19.30 \text{ g/cm}^3$; mercury is in second place at$13.53 \text{ g/cm}^3$. Platinum may have been known, but it certainly wasn't workable: it was described in 1557 as a metal "which no fire nor any Spanish artifice has yet been able to liquefy". Today, you could make an imitation gold crown simply by gold-plating a tungsten ($19.25 \text{ g/cm}^3$) crown, but in the time of Archimedes, no known metal or alloy was dense enough. (The question specifies the Archimedes submersion test to compare densities; the difference between$19.3 \text{ g/cm}^3$and$19.25 \text{ g/cm}^3$is less than the uncertainty caused by the surface tension of water.) Using similar calculations to SF.'s, you can make a much cheaper fake gold bar with tungsten and iridium. Using Wolfram Alpha (prices may fluctuate): So, first off notice that iridium is both cheaper and denser than gold, so we could just make a solid iridium bar with some empty space for a savings of about 55%. But, using a mix of tungsten and iridium we can do way better. Shamelessly stealing the equations from PT., we get: $$\rho_{Au} = 19.3\text{ g/cm}^3 \\ \rho_{W} = 19.25\text{ g/cm}^3 \\ \rho_{Ir} = 22.56\text{ g/cm}^3 \\ V_{Ir} = { { \rho_{Au} - \rho_{W} } \over { \rho_{Ir} - \rho_{W} } } \\ V_{Ir} = { { 19.3\text{ g/cm}^3 - 19.25\text{ g/cm}^3 } \over { 22.56\text{ g/cm}^3 - 19.25\text{ g/cm}^3 } } = { { 0.05\text{ g/cm}^3 } \over { 3.31\text{ g/cm}^3 } } = 0.015\text{ cm}^3 \\ M_{Ir} = \rho_{Ir} V_{Ir} = 22.56\text{ g/cm}^3 \times 0.015\text{ cm}^3 = 0.34\text{ g} \\ V_{W} = 1 - V_{Pt} = 0.985\text{ cm}^3 \\ M_{W} = \rho_{W} V_{W} = { 19.25\text{ g/cm}^3 \times 0.985\text{ cm}^3 } = 18.95\text{ g} \\ m_{Ir} = 0.02\text{ g} \\ m_{W} = 0.98\text{ g} \\ \text{Price}_{Ir} = 0.02\text{ g} \times \18.33/\text{g} = \0.37 \\ \text{Price}_{W} = 0.98\text{ g} \times \0.05/\text{g} = \0.05$$ Giving us a final price of$\$0.42/\text{g}$, or about 98% cheaper than gold.