The Darcy friction factor is defined as: $$f_D =\frac{64}{Re}$$ with $Re$ I mean Reynolds number (global).

I was wondering why Darcy in laminaire flow is independent of pipe roughness (wall roughness)? That is not the case in turbulent and transient zone, the iterative methodes are much more complex and the friction factor is a function of wall roughness.

  • $\begingroup$ I believe the answer might be due to that eddies generated by wall roughness are quickly dissipated through the high viscous forces in laminar flow, leaving negligible velocity fluctuations (if there are any), and flow doesn't reach the transition threshold, remaining laminar. So, roughness isn't a dominating factor as in turbulent flow. $\endgroup$ – Algo Aug 19 '20 at 15:55

In laminar flow, you assume a fuild layer near the pipe wall with flow velocity = 0, and progressivly faster flowing layers towards the middle of the pipe. That's why it's called laminar. Because there is no flow near the pipe wall, the roughness does not affect pressure loss.

In most practical applications, you will be outside of this flow regime. Then the easiest way to find the right friction factor is to consult a Moody Chart:

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Notice the right hand side - complete turbulence, the friction factor is practically independent of $Re$ and depends only on relative roughness. There's no laminar layer covering the pipe roughness, notice how the $Re$ necessary to achive this flow regime becomes higher with smoother pipes.

As further reading I suggest looking at boundary layers as well as the various friction factors used in the Darcy Weissbach equation.

  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the answer, I thought the zero velocity layer could be the reason, but even in turbulent flow there exist a laminar layer between the turbulent core and the wall. Of course they layer is much thinner in comparison to laminar flow. $\endgroup$ – Sam Farjamirad Aug 19 '20 at 15:39
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    $\begingroup$ The interesting question is if the boundary layer is thick enough to hide the pipe roughness, $\endgroup$ – mart Aug 19 '20 at 15:47
  • $\begingroup$ "Because there is no flow near the pipe wall, the roughness does not affect pressure loss" In turbulent flow there is also no flow near the wall, and the flow is laminar until $y^+=5$, yet roughness still affects pressure drop and turbulence generation. $\endgroup$ – Algo Aug 19 '20 at 15:47
  • $\begingroup$ eddies in turbulent flow can transmit momentum between different flow regions. $\endgroup$ – mart Aug 19 '20 at 15:49
  • $\begingroup$ Not in viscous sublayer, you can't even have Kolmogorov scales in that region. All the eddy generation takes place in the buffer layer. $\endgroup$ – Algo Aug 19 '20 at 15:55

The explanation is due to the fundamental physics of momentum transfer. In all cases of continuum flow, including laminar, transition, and turbulent flow, the zero (no-slip) boundary condition applies where the fluid touches the wall. Since there is fluid flow in regions removed from this boundary, momentum must be transmitted in these regions - called the boundary layer - to bring the free stream value for velocity down to zero.

With laminar flow, which applies down to zero free stream velocity, momentum transfer is molecule to molecule, and at a scale that is much smaller than any roughness at the wall. Thus, whether the laminar boundary layer is larger than the roughness does not provide an explanation for the question. The only way roughness can affect molecular momentum transfer is if the roughness itself is at the same molecular scale, and in that case (which does exist) the effect of roughness is, well, at the molecular scale, which is the laminar regime; i.e., it's a null effect.

Thus, roughness can affect the shear stress at the wall only if it's large enough to participate in turbulence, and the scale for that is orders of magnitude larger than the molecular scale. But roughness scale alone isn't sufficient to cause turbulence, as we see from the Moody chart Mart provided. The Reynolds Number must also be sufficiently large.

In turbulent flow, momentum is transferred between little clumps of fluid, which is orders of magnitude in scale larger than the molecular scale. Consider now the laminar sub layer that exists at the molecular scale, again, much smaller than any significant roughness scale, or turbulent scale. By "significant" I mean both large enough scale and large enough Re. In this case, the sub layer laminar flow is very tortuous, able to follow the roughness, until the momentum of the molecular flow cannot negotiate the tortuous path; i.e., until Re becomes large enough. At that point, little clumps of fluid break away from the more ordered molecular flow, and this is what we call turbulence.

Bear in mind that there is always an "entrance region" where a free stream first encounters an obstacle, either in internal flow, as in a pipe, or in external flow, as on an airplane wing, or the well understood "flat plate." If the free stream contains no turbulence (a "quiescent flow") there will always be laminar flow at the beginning of this entrance region. With external flow, the characteristic length for Re is distance along the wing or plate from the "leading edge." Thus, at the beginning, Re is very small, hence the flow is laminar, regardless of roughness. With internal flow, the characteristic length for Re is pipe diameter, and the Moody chart applies only for the "fully developed" regions of pipe flow. In the entrance region of pipe flow, which begins as an "external flow," the boundary layer grows at first like it does over a flat plate, and there, Re characteristic length is again distance from the leading edge. But as the boundary layer grows, it meets with the boundary layer growing from other areas along the pipe circumference. At that point, the entire flow is boundary layer flow and is considered fully developed.


In laminar flow you don’t have roughness dependency because if it were to matter then it wouldn’t be laminar flow anymore.

Basically when you assume laminar flow you also assume the pipe to be smooth enough not to affect the flow, if it is not so then flow is transient or turbulent and you need the iterative process you mentioned.

  • $\begingroup$ I don't agree with your assumption about smooth pipes, even we can realise laminaire flow in rough pipes $\endgroup$ – Sam Farjamirad Aug 19 '20 at 15:36
  • $\begingroup$ I see your point but that’s what I meant in assuming laminar flow(so it depends on both density and velocity) and “smooth enough” under the given conditions. Anyway I could have been more clear $\endgroup$ – Alberto Brambilla Aug 19 '20 at 16:00

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