When we calculate the dimension of a foundation we always use the allowable SERVICE bearing capacity (lets call it qs) and all the necessary checks are based on this value qs.

My question is why does the geotechnical report calculates the ultimate bearing capacity (lets call it qu)?

In my own research I stepped upon an article that says that when the geotechnical engineer calculates the ultimate bearing capacity it calculates the ultimate load by multiplying the service loads with a safety factor (lets call it Fs) now for a structural engineer (such as i am) we use different load combinations to calculate the ultimate load (especially when we have seismic and wind) in a simple case for example the most famous load combination in the ACI Code is 1.2D + 1.6L if in a certain case the Live Load is >>>> than the Dead Load the use of a simple Fs will not work to calculate the ultimate load combination.

Is that Explanation for this topic is feasible ? and what do you have other suggestion to the difference of qs and qu ? and where do we use each one?

Thank You in Advance.

  • $\begingroup$ Ultimate bearing capacity is typically used to determine the loading on concrete foundation elements. Allowable capacity is used to evaluate the soil bearing pressure FOS. It seems you have alot of fundamental questions, you need to read commentary and textbooks to get the kind of answers you seek. $\endgroup$
    – ShadowMan
    Aug 20 '19 at 2:08
  • $\begingroup$ Hi ShadwoMan thank you for your reply, do you have any recommended commentary or textbooks that might help in this topic. and thank you in advance for your help. $\endgroup$
    – J.Daou
    Aug 20 '19 at 17:41
  • $\begingroup$ In addition to reading all of the related commentary from ASCE / IBC, I would suggest subscribing to ASCE learning modules. These can help provide you with a designer point of view with enough background to make you informed. $\endgroup$
    – ShadowMan
    Aug 21 '19 at 0:18

Let me raise an example:

By Ultimate Capacity, my slab thickness required is 80mm for a particular span X meter. Which my slab would not fail to carry the load into the beam and column.

By Serviceability Capacity, my slab thickness required is 150mm for a particular span x meter. Which the deflection may not exceed the desired displacement.

So, one hand I have a sagging slab which looks like it is going to fall anytime, even hit my head when I am standing right at the middle underneath.

On the other hand I have a rather smooth and flat slab which look nice and gives me confident that it wont fall on my head & still have some space above me when I am standing underneath.

In short,

In Limit State Design, designers have to access both ultimate capacity and serviceability of a structure to serve its purpose!


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